Israel Unleashes First 'Skunk Bomb'
Possibly because of excitement over the Russia-Georgia conflict last month, little attention was given to a new development in chemical warfare – the first use by the Israeli police of a new, smelly weapon to disperse demonstrators:
Israeli police say the new crowd-control method, which they call a "skunk bomb," was used for the first time Friday in the village of Naalin. Palestinians have been holding almost daily protests against a security barrier that Israel is building in the area.
Israeli police say a water-spraying device showered the liquid on the demonstrators, forcing most to rush off to change their clothes.
The weapons are described as an improvement over the rubber bullets and tear gas used previously, and "medical and legal authorities approved the use of the foul-smelling liquid."
According to the Jerusalem Post, "some demonstrators described the smell as similar to that of sewage, adding that it was hard to get rid of, even after a shower."
We've been waiting for this – Noah noted when the Skunk was developed in 2004. According to a report in the UK's Independent newspaper, the chemical involved is an artificial version of skunk liquid:
The foul-smelling liquid squirted by angry or frightened skunks at their victims was analyzed by Israeli defence scientists and a synthetic version created for use in a weapon they call the "skunk bomb". Fired with great care, and from a respectable range, it is designed to force civilian protesters to disperse. Security forces would not be keen to arrest the victims, and they would be equally unwelcome at home.
This may signal a shift towards classifying so-called malodorants as "riot control agents." There is a whole legal dance around the use of non-lethal chemicals, and the US Army has shown a strong interest in deploying them. The new 155mm XM1063 non-lethal artillery round is filled with an unknown chemical agent, and many suspect that this is a malodorant. It is set to go into production – if it is approved – in the next year.
Jason Sigger took exception to my suggestion that the XM1063 might count as a chemical weapon and so technically be banned by the Chemical Weapons Convention. However, the CWC defines a toxic chemical as "Any chemical which through its chemical action on life processes can cause death, temporary incapacitation or permanent harm to humans or animals." So I strongly suspect it would fall under this heading. But America specifically regards Riot Control Agents as being exempt from the CWC. Watch out for revelations about what the XM1063 actually contains, and expect to see lawyers making some money on this one.
Ironic Footnote: Oddly enough, malodorants were used earlier this year by eco-warriors of the Sea Shepherd group, as reported in The Australian:
Captain of the Steve Irwin Paul Watson denied any attack on the Yushin Maru No. 3, saying he had not even seen such a boat.
But he confirmed the group launched a “retaliatory strike” of butyric acid “stink bombs” at the Yushin Maru No. 2, about one hour after activists Benjamin Potts and Giles Lane were transferred to the Australian customs boat, the Oceanic Viking.
Greens using chemical weapons?? You couldn't make it up...
ALSO:
This is innovative? Any chemistry major worth his NaCl knows the usefulness of methyl mercaptan, the "gift that keeps on giving".
No mention of the Marriott Hotel attack in Pakistan yet? Has DangerRoom lost interest in terrorism already?
Thank you, Israel for being our Lord and Master.
Gratefully,
America
"Palestinians have been holding almost daily protests against a security barrier that Israel is building in the area."
Security barrier my ass. Nothing less than israeli segregationism and pillaging.
The center of the world's three great religions is also the world's center for bigotry. And anyone with an open mind can see the two go hand in hand. So it's only just that the people in that neck of the woods be made to smell bad. It goes with their personalities.
Great and is the USA paying foe this as well as the rest of Israel arms to illegally occupy Palestine and murder its inhabitants?
Military AID is free weapons, 30 billion $ worth for Israel on top of the $24 billion America has already given, to continue, to illegally occupy Palestine and slaughter its inhabitants paid for by the American tax $!
In the official American 9/11 report Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's main motivation behind the attack was Americas continued support for ISRAEL this is in black and white freely available to anyone that can read! The pdf 9/11 report, its very heavy reading but i can help *5.2 The Planes Operation report page 154 about half way down "U.S. Support for Israel"*
Report download page: http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm
There was the public 9/11 commission on c-span stating that the main reason for the 9/11 attacks was the continued support for Israel in their quest to cleans the occupied state "Palestine" C-Span video can be found on youtube and here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg&feature=user
Analysis: New US-Israeli arms deal (BBC) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6949904.stm
FTA: Thursday, 16 August 2007, 16:02 GMT 17:02 UK
This new agreement sets increased levels of US military aid for Israel over the coming decade.
In broad terms, Israel will receive a total of some $30bn (£14.8bn) in military aid, a significant increase over $24bn (£12bn) it received over the past 10 years.
US ARMS AID TO ISRAEL
$30bn over 10 years
1st payment of $2.55bn in 2008
Annual payments rising to $3.1bn by 2011
26.3% can be spent in Israel
Rest must be spent on US arms
Anyone Heard of Operation Gladio?
The tiny nation of Israel grants equal rights to Muslims, where Muslims are elected to parliament and even hold posts in the government. Yet, when she defends herself against those who seek to destroy her, the World curses and condemns her. She builds a wall to keep out suicide bombers and again the world supports those who would dismantle it and kill her children. A stink bomb is certainly a peaceful alternative to rubber bullets and tear gas. It doesn't surprise me that destructive, militant bigots like "Ari B." and "American Citizen" post such offensive vitriol. Their hypocrisy is monumental.
The problem with the Middle East is Islam. It's too bad the Crusades didn't work. The Middle East was Christian before it was Islamic. And it should be Christian again in the future.
The Crusades were a noble effort to fight back against Islamic barbarism.
Cannonfodder is obviously a graduate of the Josef Goebbels school of anti-Semitism. The oft-repeated Big Lie of Israel slaughtering Palestinian Arabs is a simple variance of the centuries old Blood Libel that blamed Jews for killing Christians and drinking their blood on Purim, Passover, Yom Kippur, etc. If Israel REALLY slaughtered Palestinians as falsely claimed by assfodder and his happy band of Saudi-funded propagandists over at the BBC, they could have taken those billions of dollars and finished the job by now. But the plain fact is that Israel and its citizens employ tens of thousands of Arabs, and grant their own Muslim citizens equal rights. The only time Palestinian Arabs die is when they launch attacks against the Israelis and then act as human shields to protect the perpetrators. But don't tell that to assfodder, because the Islamofacists are paying big bucks for the lies he's spewing.
uh oh here they come! *runs for cover*
As someone who's both been in Israel (as an observant outsider) and worked with Israelis for many years, I tend to agree with most of the negative comments here. You can try and say that Muslims are given equal rights, but the reality is very different. They are frequently discriminated against, called dogs and animals by the Jews in Israel. I've been in cabs where I almost thought the driver was about to run over the Palestinian kid walking in front of the car. "Look! He's Palestinian" quoted one driver. Zionism is merely legalized racism no matter how you wish to paint it. Of course, anyone who dares to say anything critical of the Israeli government is labeled as anti-semitic. No government should be allowed to run rampant without fear of criticism.
Gosh Cannonfodder, your name is so self-descriptive. I agree with you the brave Hamas warriors of Palestine would much rather die at Jacobs hands than to take a shower, but life is like that - you don't always get what you want. However, just exercise a little patience and all you followers of that pedophile Mo will get your wish.
re: "No government should be allowed to run rampant without fear of criticism."
Unless it's Hamas, Hezbollah or some other Islamic tyrannical whiner government.
Butyric acid has been a "poor man's" chemical weapon for a while now - anti-abortion militants have used it against abortion clinics since at least the late 1980s.
Wow THORTAN must be one of those ISM observers. You can tell by the careful phrasing of how he observed and what he observed, but not precisely where.
And yet the arab can still be an officer in the IDF and a member of Israeli's parliament. Yet the arabs also like to call the Jews dogs and monkeys, and don't let them become officers or government leaders. And you claim just the Israelis are biased? "Zionism equals racism", wow the ignorance implied just says non english native language poster.
/having digressed, liquid smell agents are most appropriate for spraying on so called palestinians. It matches the level of their arguments.
As someone who has visited Israel a number of times, I never experienced the incidents Thortan described. In fact, I think he's exaggerating, if not actually being disingenuous. My uncle lives in Jerusalem, and I was there during two attacks when knife-wielding Arabs killed Jews in the streets just for shopping, and rained down stones on worshippers beneath the Temple Mount. That was years ago, but I never saw Israelis treat Arabs poorly at all. I've heard them privately express fear and disgust, but that's it. I also find it telling that the Israeli cab driver in Thortan's story didn't actually run down the Palestinian boy, though he obviously had the chance. And it's interesting that Jews would privately call Palestinians "dogs and animals," though there is no concomitant public pronouncement in Israeli media; the Arab media, on the other hand, paints all Jews as subhuman, and has regular children's educational programming that glorifies the slaughter of Jews. Heck, the kids' shows even tell them how to do it. Don't believe me? Then head on over to MEMRI. Unlike Thortan, I'd have to disagree with the negative comments. Perhaps being a dhimmi is good for him, but it's been historically bad for the rest of us.
It isn't incapacitating to cause somebody to smell bad. They don't have to shower...but this trick won't work too well, especially when it's used more than once. Soldiers and protesters alike will get used to it.
For those who think the Palestinians ought to be happy--as second-class citizens in the Occupied Territories--would you be happy living under a foreign military occupation, enemy tanks rolling down your streets hourly, being subject to checkpoints, strip-searches, indignities in your own town? (And forget about travel.) Perhaps you'd like to see your property seized for a civilian settlement of the occupying power? Or would you fight back?
For those who expect the Israelis to roll over and kiss and hug the Palestinians when their own civilians--their partners--parents--children--family--friends are being murdered daily by religious fanatics who would rather kill innocents than fight the occupying forces: would you tolerate living like that? Or would you fight back?
Neither side comes forth with clean hands; both are drenched with the blood of countless thousands of innocents on all sides.
As Orwell said:
"We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of terrorism is terrorism. The object of oppression is oppression. The object of torture is torture. The object of murder is murder. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?"
Fight the power.
What is it I'm smelling? Isn't that the stench of apartheid?
Yay!
Apartheid ROCKS!!!!
You know, it sucks that people can't seem to get along over in that part of the world... I don't even care to go into who is right or who is wrong, because I know so little about it all...
But hey, at least the Isrealis are using something like this even though it does come dangerously close to being chemical warfare, when they could just drop Napalm on the Palestinians instead.
Dave,
They don't have to use it consistantly. Just the threat of employing Pepe Le Pew might just be enough.
All the Palestinans have to do is stop killing Israelis, Dave. The borders would open up and there would be more opportunities to make a living wage in Israel. The wages get taken back to Gaza or the West Bank, which in turn stimulates their economies.
Until this happens, the hysterical terrorists deserve to at least walk around smelling like a sewer. They alone are responsible for turning Gaza into one.
I love the skunk bomb idea.
but for politikal purposes...
here's a suggestion
If The US Air Force/CIA want to score points with Grand Ayatollah Al-Sistani? then they'll fix his web site for him. (free of charge)
This is a politikal gimme.
don't wait fellas.
Al-Sistani has huge politikal influence in Najaf and in Iraqi Shia Islam in general. Step in and help a fella out. It's obvious to me, this where you fellas can score US points for our cause in Iraq and among his peaceful religous followers of the his brand of Shia Islam (and the Hidden Mahdi).
Do you get where I'm going with this?
good luck
religious belief is the real problem. when you follow an ancient text and don't use your brain you are retarded ...literally. stop asking your imaginary friends (jesus,snuffalupagus, allah) for answers and look around and realize that we are all people that pretty much want the same things happieness and pleasure and don't want pain and work towards that. bomb the f*** out of each other until you come to this simple realisation. the year 2000 AND people are still prehistoric retards. Go sacrifice a virgin and do a rain dance it makes as much sense. you are creating your own problems f*** you!
Humm, skunk bombs being considered as chemical weapons? What about tear gas and pepper spray? Both fit into the whole; "Any chemical which through its chemical action on life processes can cause death, temporary incapacitation or permanent harm to humans or animals" bit. I think that malodorants are a great idea. As for the whole Israel vs. Palestine bit, I wouldn't touch that with a 100 ft pole.
"Greens using chemical weapons?? You couldn't make it up..."
Neal Stephenson, 1988, "Zodiac: An Eco-Thriller". The protagonist uses concentrated putrescene (butanediamine), one of the compounds associated with the smell of rotting flesh, to incapacitate some guards belonging to a group polluting Boston Harbour. Life imitates art imitates life imitates...
Hey, if many of my neighbors were constantly trying to kill me and my neighbors just for existing then I might not have that idealized view of those arabs and muslims. The arabs are imperialists and supremicists and the leftists who support them are supporting imperialism.
Israelis have bent over backwards to reach peaceful ties with these genocidalists to no avail. No one would be happier to reach a true accomodation of peace with the muslim community than Israel, but muslims are blinded by hate and ideology and cannot conceive of Jews not being spat upon and subservient to their 'betters'.
I think the skunk bomb is appropriate and its use on these skunks while ironic does not run afoul of any treaties as it does not incapacitate anyone or cause physical harm and is more effective than tear gas which is protected in all countries and not considered a bannable chem weapon.
I'm just waiting for Israel to perfect the D Note Bomb, that would be precious. That would not be a chemical weapon, and the result would be in the pfakistinian's breeches as they waddle home for a change of garments.
non lethal weapons are our future its a great idea
You know the Islamic people operate their banking systems without interest? Interest is illegal, and no one gets the fruit of their labour usurped and their lives destroyed by usurs.
Compare that with Israel.
Kind of makes you wonder who the good guys really are.
Sorry, Dave, but it's obvious you never studied history -- or religious text. Everything Usama bin Laden wrote in his Fatwa Against the Jews and Crusaders was theologically accurate in terms of what the Koran and Hadiths require of all good Muslims. They will fight you until you submit and all the world belongs to Allah -- Mohamed required it. Moreover, Muslim clerics have legally validated this concept throughout the centuries. The World is divided into the House of Islam and the House of War, and will remain that way until either all join the Ummah, or the Ummah conquer all. It doesn't matter if one is a Jew, Christian, Zoroastrian, Hindu, Buddhist, Shinto, Animist, Confucian, or otherwise ... he is either dhimmi, mawali, or dead. I anticipate that you are probably dhimmi or mawali -- or soon to be -- like so many other relativists who share your views. The struggle in the Middle East is not based on Jews occupying Muslim land, regardless of what the BBC and CNN international tell you. Nor is the Muslim crime wave against native Europeans (e.g., Malmo) and Americans (Sept 11, 2001) somehow based on America's support for the "Israeli Occupiers." If that were the case, "Suburban Youth" wouldn't be terrorizing the French. Moreover, I'm willing to bet that Hindus in India, Buddhists in Thailand, Catholics in the Philippines, and Animists in the Sudan have a completely different point of view on the source of Muslim violence. Visit "The Voice of Dharma" sometime and educate yourself ... before it's too late.
KB pointed out above that assfodder is a graduate of the Josef Goebbels school of journalism -- it seems that "SW" graduated from the same school. I distinctly remember reading how the Nazis of Germany cultivated hatred of the Jews by referring to them as the usurious, interest-charging "International Bankers." Well, SW did the same thing in his post here. Bravo, SW, you Nazi scum.
The jews know all about bad smells, they were the bad smell of Europe for long enough. Or was that because they were burning them...
Islam is a false religion. Created by a false prophet who is also a pedophile. Allah is named after a stone idol that Mohammad picked up from.
Islam always convert by the sword, even now with bombs strapped on their bodies. If you refuse to convert to Islam, you are marked for death.
So much for a "religion of peace". Islam needs to be destroyed.
I'm mexican, atheist and my ancestry is checkered to say the least (my father is half greek-half spanish and my mom is half french-half mulato) so I don't have any relation neither to the Israelis nor the palestinians, but I can say this: I used to have an Israeli girlfriend and I was really surprised by the amount of hate towards the palestinians that the israelis are brought up with. I don't agree with terrorism in general and least of all if it's motivated by religion, no matter which one, but lets be honest people, Israel doesn't need and excuse to abuse the palestinians. Both sides are utterly wrong! But I guess it's just human nature: They have it, we want it, lets take it... even if it means killing people or abusing the rights of others.
Good thing I don't have a sense of smell.
FARKed
Sure beats shooting them.
I didn't even know they had skunks in Israel!
Wonder where the whole idea for the concept came from?
I love how you people condemn the Israeli's for building a wall of "separation" to protect themselves from suicide bombers. How many suicide bombings have you heard about since the wall's been up? Almost none. Damn those Israeli's and their selfish wall. It's now safe to ride a bus in Tel Aviv.
Maybe if the Palestinians and other Middle Eastern Arabs would actually invent and create something instead of just mindlessly killing, we would take them more seriously. Every time Israel gives up land, the Palestinians trash it and then use it to attack Israel some more. If anything, the Israelis are too restrained.
Some people posting here are REALLY stupid. Nothing wrong with them breaking up protests that get out of hand... fucking idiots.
lol at "security barrier"... to bad the Germans didn't call the Holocaust a barbecue, maybe be it would have been better accepted.
One migh think that the Israelis might be a bit sensitive on testing out gasweapons on civilians exercising their rights to protest. And to the Israel/Arab debate: It is true that the Israelis are not genocidal, but it is also true that the culture of Israel these last 20 years has become one of blatant racism and cultural war, as can be witnessed here by all the hateful comments about islam. I have Israeli friends, and they say they dont recognize their country anymore, it is being filled with hatefulness and semi-fascism every day from the settler movement. It is like there is a insanity loose, a delayed reaction to holocaust perhaps. Can a whole nation get PTSD?
And with commenters like Obamaeatsdick and Mohammedsmomma on their side, it doesnt exactly make the pro-israel crowd look any less like idiotic *haters*. I must admit, i find this fascinating, how one of the most ancient and intelectual traditional cultures of the world, judaism, seems to have degenerated into a movement for orcs and evil spammers who are unable to argue on anything but the basest level of discourse. Oy Vey.
This scientific report turned to political comments.
If anything wrong in this world, it is just the haters (Israelis) and idiots (Americans). People who talk about Palestinians, they still cant accept that Israel have made their life miserable with occupation. The other idiots who talk about Islam, they don't know anything else about it, except what they hear from idiots and haters. If Islam is false and its prophet is also false, how in the world it has this big number of believers who practice their religion beliefs more than other believers from different religions.
Wake up America, enough of stupidity and blind following the haters.
Current-Affair: You fall into the same trap, sir, when you equal all Israelis with the haters, and all US as useful idiots. Israel has a strong humanistic tradition wich unfortunately has become much weaker over the last 15 years. This is partly due to a demographic shift, with E. European immigrants pouring in forming a new lower class unused to democracy, and a steady stream of liberals moving out due to worsened living conditions with the hard core remaining.
But we agree on the main premise: Israel, with its harsh occupation and its tendency to break international rules with impunity is ensuring that the conflict continues. They should learn from the american in Iraq, who went in in 2003 with a Israeli paradigm and found out that it didnt function, and so developed COIN and FM 3-24 wich has a whole different perspective. It is basic human psychology: If you treat people like dogs, they will see you as animals. Treat them like humans, and they will at least look on you as humans. Its as simple and complicated as that, and the IDF with their brutal arrogance and welldocumented bad-cop attitudes are counterproductive to any solution.
Why oh why does every news item on the web about Israel and Palestine end up being "terrorised" by dogmatics on each side of the "fence". Goodness me, you silly buggers. Everything is partially true, and yet isn't. There is rampant discrimination against Arabs in Israel, but yet there isn't. The fence cuts into Palestinian lands, but yet Israel has a right to self-defence. Look, the situation is one of actual people. Neither of them is always right, yet neither is always wrong. I strongly believe that it is dogma which causes most of the damage. It is fanatics, supported by peaceniks, antisemites, muslim-haters and right-winged evagelicals who ensure that enough support is given for local extremists, and therewith legitimise any proposal for a solution, a settlement.
As for skunk: a bit of a smell is no biggy. It's cluster bombs and other scary weapons which we ought to discuss.
Get of your high horses, folks.
I obviously think faster than I type.
What I meant to say was that you fanatics legitimise Palestinian and Israeli extremists alike and by doing so you actually make it easier for the negotiations to fail. If we left Israel and the PA to their own devices peace might become a necessity. Now both sides still have much to gain by keeping the conflict going.
Maybe they got rapped on the knuckles for using the previous nerve gas against protesters. Zyclon C perhaps?
On June 10th, 2004, the two clinics in Al-Zawiya treated 130 patients for gas inhalation. The patients were children, women, old people and young men. Dr. Abu Madi related that there was a high number of cases of [tetany], spasm in legs and hands, connected to the nervous system. Pupils were dilated. … Other symptoms included shock, semi-consciousness, hyperventilation, irritation and sweating."
Thus reads a report by medical units serving the West Bank village of Al-Zawiya, where nonviolent resistance to Israel's impending wall has been extraordinarily resolute. According to the medical report (procured by the International Middle East Media Center [IMEMC]), "the gas used against the protestors is not tear gas but possibly a nerve gas."
The following day, Israel's "Peace Bloc," Gush Shalom, began a press release with the following quote from Al-Zawiya:
"What the army used here yesterday was not tear gas. We know what tear gas is, what it feels like. That was something totally different. … When we were still a long way off from where the bulldozers were working, they started shooting things like this one (holding up a dark green metal tube with the inscription "Hand and rifle grenade no.400" - in English). Black smoke came out. Anyone who breathed it lost consciousness immediately, more than a hundred people. They remained unconscious for nearly 24 hours. One is still unconscious, at Rapidiya Hospital in Nablus. They had high fever and their muscles became rigid. Some needed urgent blood transfusion. Now, is this a way of dispersing a demonstration, or is it chemical warfare?"
In its March, 2003 special report, Israel's Secret Weapon, BBC Television reviewed this series of gas attacks, noting, "The Israeli army has used new unidentified weapons. In February 2001 a new gas was used in Gaza. A hundred and eighty patients were admitted to hospitals with severe convulsions. … Israel is outside chemical and biological weapons treaties and still refuses to say what the new gas was."
antiwar.com July 8, 2004.
what an innovative weapon, tested on Arabs first ! but it's good they use it instead of bullets, so we have to applause their new sens of humanity :)
Most of you don't have a clue but those that have had the joy of being sprayed by the striped kitty know the worst side effect is the spouse making you sleep in the back yard until you get rid of that cologne.
@fnord @MAtt London both seem to think that the fanatics posting here legitimize the "terror" and extremism by showing no side is right.
Sorry people blowing their kids up as martyrs shows what side is wrong. The fact that the pro-israeli crowd has idiots and even the other sides agent provocateurs does nothing to diminish it. That is the logical fallacy. one side creates (nobels, patents, new medicines), the palestinians and way too many arabs just take or destroy.
That maybe they will find peace if left alone together is part of the liberal fallacy that humans actually want peace and harmony outside their tribe. As opposed to taking what the other guy has, which last I checked is the primate directive.
This is a peaceful weapon that cant remove human life, and always ISRAEL thinks positively with its neighbours, but most of the times it is being provocated by terorrists with their deadly wepons bombarding innocent people anywhere they want. Its high time to think positively in peace like ISRAEL does.
Perhaps WIRED magazine could include a scratch-and-sniff tab in the next issue, of one of the malodorants. I'd really like a (safe) sample of what the fuss is all about.
Cool calling Arabs primates, awesome. We have algebra thanks to them, but no they are just a bunch of sub humans.
I can't wait for America to get off the oil teat so we can stop making what goes on over there, when far worse happens in other parts of the world daily, the most important thing in world history.
Meanwhile racists and haters use the conflict to justify anti-Semitism and Arab and Muslim hating. Real genuises.
America needs to solve it's own f****** problems. We're doing a great job of that, too!
This is old news. We had this used on us by the french during the middle ages- "I fart in your general direction!"
poeg: LOL. The "striped-kitty". Perhaps it's the image of something cute and harmless mixed with the image of horrid skunk spray...oh man, that is tear-inducing funny. LOL.
I'm sorry, but your description is a hoot. This new device sounds like a real advancement in LTL "weapons".
If it can disperse crowds without long-term ill effect, sounds good to me. This is good for many reasons.
Now, if it is used, the sympathy doesn't automatically fall to one side or the other. Legitimately broken-up (unruely, not peaceful) protests, will not be able to support their side by claiming injury. Also, protesters that pose no legitimate threat will not risk injury. Sounds good all around. It also fails to meet the standard of a chemical weapon. Being forced to flee due to odor certainly can't be characterized as "incapacitated". Merely skunked.
@forbes I suspect that you are still in school since you do not know what "primates" encompass. All humans are primates. Thus my usage was not an insult.
And of course my usage was a play on words the "primate directive" versus the fictional and unsupportable "prime directive".
BTW just because the arabs had works on algebra translated and made some standards, algebra is not from the arabs. Credit should be given to the ancient Greeks and the scholars of India more than to any arab.
Dammit when it said "skunk bomb" I was hoping they'd come up with some sort of pacification weapon based on some mad weed!
Damn you reality!
@David Hambling: According to strict definition, if this thing just makes standing around unbearable, and makes you smell bad, it doesn't violate the CWC. Please define specifically, HOW it it would be a by definition, technical violation, or retract the claim. From the article "police say a water-spraying device showered the liquid on the demonstrators, forcing most to rush off to change their clothes." Sorry. Doesn't sound like a chemical which "which through its chemical action....can cause...temporary incapacitation".
Being able to run home and change your clothes, by definiton, makes you not incapacitated. Cheers.
What about the arab terrorist spraying acid in the eyes of an Israeli soldier?
@David Hambling:
in·ca·pac·i·tate (nk-ps-tt)
tr.v. in·ca·pac·i·tat·ed, in·ca·pac·i·tat·ing, in·ca·pac·i·tates
1. To deprive of strength or ability; disable.
2. To make legally ineligible; disqualify.
in·ca·pac·i·tate (nk-ps-tt)
tr.v. in·ca·pac·i·tat·ed, in·ca·pac·i·tat·ing, in·ca·pac·i·tates
incapacitate - make unable to perform a certain action; "disable this command on your computer"
disable, disenable
alter, change, modify - cause to change; make different; cause a transformation; "The advent of the automobile may have altered the growth pattern of the city"; "The discussion has changed my thinking about the issue"
lay up - disable or confine, as with an illness; "She was laid up with pneumonia for six weeks"
nobble - disable by drugging; "nobble the race horses"
pinion - cut the wings off (of birds)
restrain, confine, hold - to close within bounds, limit or hold back from movement; "This holds the local until the express passengers change trains"; "About a dozen animals were held inside the stockade"; "The illegal immigrants were held at a detention center"; "The terrorists held the journalists for ransom"
2. incapacitate - injure permanently; "He was disabled in a car accident"
handicap, invalid, disable
injure, wound - cause injuries or bodily harm to
hock - disable by cutting the hock
Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.
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incapacitate
verb disable, cripple, paralyse, scupper Brit. (slang) prostrate, immobilize, put someone out of action (informal) lay someone up (informal)
Collins Essential Thesaurus 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2005, 2006
SOURCES: Listed above, and http://www.thefreedictionary.com/incapacitate
WADR, Strongly suspect all you want, this "skunk bomb" does not incapacitate, literally, by any definition of the word. This is the only means through which the CWC could be violted here. It obviously doesn't cause death, and no long term damage is apparent or conceivable. Cheers.
Spook: "Please define specifically, HOW it it would be a by definition"
- it's not my claim, but comes from people who work in this field. I would refer you to Ralph Trapp's comments in my earlier piece -
" malodorants do have a physiological effect and toxicity is not limited to lethality."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jul/10/weaponstechnology.research
I read the link.
He doesn't specify as much as I would like. On the whole, interesting. I would say that if malodorants such as this do violate the CWC, which I would say they don't, then the CWC needs to be revised. I don't think pepper spray, and skunk bombs were what were invisioned in the drafting of the CWC. Certainly toxicity could become an issue with over exposure from some of these malodorants, but they same can be said for drinking too much water. The use should be promoted, not discouraged. In the event of a rare occurance of overexposure, due to over the top use, legal remedy could still be sought, especially with clear guidelines in place. The benefits here seem to well outwiegh the risks.
Arabs are born to murder. they even murder their wives and daughter...... well, they have many for spare.....
As usual a fascinating discussion, filled with racism and judgemental drivel. Its fascinating that the arabs are becoming the new jews, quotes like the one above could have been lifted from a naziblog about jews.
A technical question, however: WWhat are the effects of this skunkspray. Does it induce nausea? What are its known side-effects? Does it induce panic? I have been teargassed and baton-charged a couple of times, and would really like to hear how this compares to that...
In concentrations significantly above the threshold of perception, methyl mercaptan (butanethiol under the new IUPAC nomenclature) is quite toxic. Most organic sulphur compounds are.
In the interest of saying something intelligent about the political question, I will point out that the Palestinian displaced population could have been resettled in comfort somewhere long ago, for about the same amount of money that the Saudi kings have spent inciting and arming them against Israel, or a fraction of what Israel has spent to try to suppress them. Instead, they continue to live on handouts in grim camps, just the sort of conditions to breed hatred and violence. Few of the Arab states have even admitted any number of Palestinian refugees, not to speak of allowing them to own property or hold jobs -- the Egyptians go to great lengths to keep the border with Gaza closed, even though it is historically their own territory.
The behaviour of those within the "domain of peace" has rarely been governed by their own theory, as regards internal or external relations. As usual, although in an especially pernicious form, religious motives serve principally to help people justify what they were going to do anyway.
a lot of R&D money could have been saved if someone had just read the newspaper 5 years ago
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/07/national/07SKUN.html?ex=1222315200&en=929966e4595fb521&ei=5070
do you people really think todays society is 'forward-thinking'??? with so much hate and lack of brotherhood??
someone earlyer mentioned about the crucade! well you lost for a reason,and god will Islam will prevail once again over those who kill for worldly gain and have no fear of what awaits them in the hereafter. look back at you book people, your god is my god. he told you of the coming of the prophets. the jews rejected Jesue just as the christians rejected Mohammed. stop changing the word of god and take heed for your own sakes!!!
"...fired with great care, and from a respectable range..."
this perfectly defines their attitude!!!
smelly Palestinians!
lol
God, these posts are such stretches of the truth. Ari B is an idiot. I was just in jerusalem this summer, and ALL the drivers are crazy. Ethnicity/religion makes no difference.
And fact of the matter is, the Arab drivers who drove me were just as hateful as Ari B's exaggerated experience, openly discriminating against Jews and orthodox religious people.
Notice Ari B's post is directed at Jews, not Israelis. Clear sign of a biased bigot.
As a frequent visitor to Netanya I for one am very happy that Israel built the security barrier, which has managed to save many lives, after the numerous devastating attacks on innocent Israelis.
Having lived in Israel many years, I have never seen any racism against any Arabs in Israel. Arabs and Jews mingle together everywhere, in shopping centres, in restaurants. Ordinary people just get on with their lives.
If it wasnt for the fanatical fundemental Arabs who brainwash their children to hate Jews, whilst they are in Nursery school and beyond, and until the Palestinians love their children more than they hate us, then there will never be peace.
web sites:
"Any chemical which through its chemical action on life processes can cause death, temporary incapacitation or permanent harm to humans or animals."
I think it is a stretch to say a chemical which causes folks to run and take a shower is "incapacitating." There is plenty of semantics wiggle room for the lawyers to play in. From the description of the effects, it is less incapacitating than CS agents.
I, as a Soldier, find it continually amusing how it is easier legally to kill someone than it is to use a less than lethal option.