Cheap Shots
Recorded: September 26  Posted: October 7
TwinSwords wrote on 10/07/2008 at 09:04 AM
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OMG, this should be interesting.
Go Jane.
Update following episode:
Three cheers to Jane for keeping her composure in the face of Corsi's constant attacks.
Jerome Corsi is probably the most belligerent bully to ever appear on BHTV. He constantly browbeat Jane, from the first minutes to the last. Corsi absolutely insisted on dominating the conversation, becoming visibly enraged whenever Jane dared to speak. I'd guess 90% of the conversation was dominated by Jerome.
In Corsi's case, personality and ideology are perfectly matched. You can tell he's an authoritarian wingnut even if your volume is turned down. If Corsi spoke an alien language none of us could understand, everyone watching would know where he stands, ideologically. If you're the kind of person who likes abrasive intimidation, you're probably a Republican. If you are repulsed by his behavior, you're probably a liberal. You don't actually need to listen to a word he says to know where he stands on most issues.
It's worth noting that Corsi's fans have the same personality that he does: aggressive, hostile, and angry. One gets the impression that Jerome Corsi is a very unhappy man.
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Whatfur wrote on 10/07/2008 at 09:36 AM
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Usually Jane is just a puke, here she becomes a rude puke.
breadcrust wrote on 10/07/2008 at 09:42 AM
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I haven't watched any of this yet, but I'm predicting it will be crankier than my old favorite: The Thrilla In Manilla.
cantbelieveim50 wrote on 10/07/2008 at 09:43 AM
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I'm sorry to have to say that Jane's smirking, sign-waving, gesturing sideshow is making me ill.
What a terrible diavlog. I was hoping that Jerome Corsi would look like a buffoon because he couldn't make a legitimate defense of his book, but instead I largely felt sympathetic to the guy. On at least two points that Jane tried to make I sided with him, and I'm an Obama supporter!
(1. Of course Corsi can go on any radio show, hosted by David Duke and O.J. Simpson, or quote any author, and shouldn't be asked to disown or denounce the show's hosts or sponsors: he's not a pol, he's an author.
2. As a recovering cocaine addict, I feel comfortable with Corsi's position that almost all drug users lie about their pasts when it comes to their "quit" times and experiences.)
cantbelieveim50 wrote on 10/07/2008 at 09:44 AM
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Whatfur, I wish I could disagree.
ohcomeon wrote on 10/07/2008 at 10:22 AM
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http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/po...orsi_held.html
Very timely considering he is now being detained.
Ray wrote on 10/07/2008 at 10:23 AM
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Ha ha ha!
Free speech!
Birth certificate!
Communist poet!
Drug experts!
Tim_G wrote on 10/07/2008 at 10:27 AM
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Jerome Corsi? 9/11 conspiracy theorist kook?
Bob! Why are you giving a platform to this lunatic?
TwinSwords wrote on 10/07/2008 at 10:32 AM
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Quoting Tim_G: Jerome Corsi? 9/11 conspiracy theorist kook?
Bob! Why are you giving a platform to this lunatic? It's okay. Corsi only damages himself. Like other wingnuts who can't control their bullying, authoritarian instincts, Corsi shows his true repulsive self to the world and turns people away from his hateful right wing ideology.
The more exposure he and his sycophants get, the better. Jane did us all a service by agreeing to expose him to a new audience.
Go Jane.
Tim_G wrote on 10/07/2008 at 10:37 AM
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Here's what Corsi said on the Alex Jones radio show. Judge for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yCfI...d.php?t=121359
Tim_G wrote on 10/07/2008 at 10:42 AM
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Maybe Corsi should start a new 527?
Swift Boat Veterans for 9/11 Truth
Has a nice ring to it 
TwinSwords wrote on 10/07/2008 at 10:44 AM
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Thanks for posting that.
This underscores Corsi's lack of moral character, that he would come on to BHTV and say one thing while saying something completely different when he's at home with his fellow lunatics and wingnuts.
Ottorino wrote on 10/07/2008 at 10:55 AM
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Wow...
seyoyo wrote on 10/07/2008 at 11:38 AM
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Oh, let's get this straight. Corsi can play guilt-by-association with Obama but he' immune from guilt for consorting with outright racist hate characters?
How did Jane Hamsher miss this?
claymisher wrote on 10/07/2008 at 11:56 AM
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Fuck. Never thought I'd see this.
Time for Coulter!
BeachFrontView wrote on 10/07/2008 at 12:21 PM
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An ignorant hateful character like this complete fool Jerome doesn't deserve the privelege of the Bloggingheads platform.
As a conservative I find him unable to add the slightest drop of positive forward looking dialog or liberal critique to the national conversation.
Whatfur wrote on 10/07/2008 at 12:25 PM
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I know she was singing with her own choi R aro Un D h Ere and Corsi Probably seemed like an easy target b Ut if this is Jane's half-ba KEd, version of being a professional then there is promise for her. Promise of ending up hiding in the bushes near a hotel pool trying to get a shot of Brittney Spear's cellulite.
Whatfur wrote on 10/07/2008 at 12:30 PM
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Quoting seyoyo: Oh, let's get this straight. Corsi can play guilt-by-association with Obama but he' immune from guilt for consorting with outright racist hate characters?
How did Jane Hamsher miss this? Obama is running for President. Duh.
And maybe not racist, but we can certainly add Jane to the "hate characters" that Corsi has appeared with.
Bobby G wrote on 10/07/2008 at 12:37 PM
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I'm actually rather impressed by Corsi. I've heard from a variety of places that he's a vile guy and I just accepted that without researching.
Now, he is prickly, but I suppose if I had constantly been derided as vile then I too would want to cut off my interlocutors--at least those who want to attack me to feel better about themselves and win kudos from their fans--at the pass.
Two areas that raised red flags, however: the searching for Obama's birth certificate seems to me as unwarranted as Sullivan's search for the birth certificate of Trig Palin. Surely if Obama wasn't a citizen this would have been found out by now by those who oppose Obama. Second, he said that Obama conceded a lot of things about the book. How does he know this? Because Obama didn't respond to them. But there are a variety of very plausible reasons why someone of Obama's stature and business (as in, busy-ness) would not respond to Corsi. Another problem with him is that he was very strict about making sure that Jane let him respond to the question asked, but he would often
TwinSwords wrote on 10/07/2008 at 12:54 PM
Corsi Detained In Kenya
Wow.....
Jerome Corsi, Obama Smear Author, Detained In Kenya
NAIROBI, Kenya — The American author of a best-selling book attacking Barack Obama as unfit for the presidency was being deported from Kenya on Tuesday, a criminal investigations official said.
Jerome Corsi, who wrote "The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality," was picked up by police Tuesday for not having a work permit, said Carlos Maluta, a senior immigration official in charge of investigations.
He was briefly detained at immigration headquarters before being brought to Jomo Kenyatta International Airport for deportation, said Joseph Mumira, head of criminal investigations at Jomo Kenyatta International Airport.
... Not hard to guess what the human pig was doing there.
AemJeff wrote on 10/07/2008 at 12:59 PM
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Quoting TwinSwords: ...human pig... That's harsh, Twin.
gwlaw99 wrote on 10/07/2008 at 01:08 PM
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I think Anne definitely got the better of him on the drug issue. Jerome seemed completely lost trying to defend his point. He also really seems like a jerk as a person.
However, otherwise her points were refuted and when she got refuted, she just skipped to the next question. She really looks juvinile having her points refuted and then looking so smug as if she actually got the better of him.
She keeps talking about "corrections" in general, but when she gets to any specifics (other than the drug issue), she loses almost every point. This makes her look like an idiot.
mvantony wrote on 10/07/2008 at 01:22 PM
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A new, ugly low for Bloggingheads.tv.
Bobby G wrote on 10/07/2008 at 01:24 PM
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I don't see how she got the better of him on the drug issue. If his research really shows that drug-users are prone to lying about their past behavior, then that's relevant to trusting Obama on the issue.
I should say, though, (1) I'm not really sure what his research was; and (2) I don't get the impression that Obama was ever a really serious coke user. If he had been, surely that would have come out by now, right?
nikkibong wrote on 10/07/2008 at 01:26 PM
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Hey, Bob, I actually appreciate you having Corsi on, but why pair him with someone as unimpressive as Jane Hamsher? The whole thing devolved into backbiting pettiness . . .(I was waiting for her to start screaming "You're a coward!" a la Bill O')
Also, I wonder if Corsi was mad that he wasn't labeled as Jerome Corsi, PhD. (Is that playa hata's degree, as the rapper Ma$e used to put it, back in the '90s?)
seyoyo wrote on 10/07/2008 at 01:31 PM
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WTF
If you're not running for President you're not subject to guilt-by-association?
When you're running for President, your brother's father's client who met the Devil establishes you as the devil, and the moron who comes forward to make this charge can be the devil's partner but it doesn't count.
What's the polite word for wingnuttery.
gwlaw99 wrote on 10/07/2008 at 01:37 PM
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Quoting Bobby G: I don't see how she got the better of him on the drug issue. (1) I'm not really sure what his research was That's my problem. He did not cite one source. He just kept referring to general knowledge. On other points he gave specifics which makes me also wonder why he couldn't on this point.
Whatfur wrote on 10/07/2008 at 01:44 PM
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Quoting seyoyo: WTF
If you're not running for President you're not subject to guilt-by-association?
When you're running for President, your brother's father's client who met the Devil establishes you as the devil, and the moron who comes forward to make this charge can be the devil's partner but it doesn't count.
What's the polite word for wingnuttery. No you are, it just that no one really cares.
What's the polite word for "Duh"?
Whatfur wrote on 10/07/2008 at 01:49 PM
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Quoting mvantony: A new, ugly low for Bloggingheads.tv. I thought so too. Don't mind hard questions...even ones that may end out making someone look foolish...but mocking like that?
Stay classy Jane!
Bobby G wrote on 10/07/2008 at 01:49 PM
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I guess I lost track of the point. It's one thing to go on a radio show where you disagree with the host's repellent views. It's another thing to be friends with someone with repellent views. I forgot, though: did Corsi allege that Obama is bad because he's friends with some rotten people, or because he accepted money from them, or because he once ran into them...? What was the point?
seyoyo wrote on 10/07/2008 at 01:51 PM
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Everyone cares about Corsi consorting with racists given some of the comments he himself has made.
In the end, associations matter or they don't.
AemJeff wrote on 10/07/2008 at 02:07 PM
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Quoting seyoyo: Everyone cares about Corsi consorting with racists given some of the comments he himself has made.
In the end, associations matter or they don't. That's too simple. Merely playing "who do you know?" doesn't expose much that's interesting. Geographic and social realities mean that all of us have associations that have various levels of meaning. The question has to be deeper than that mere association. Also hanging in a crowd that includes some less savory members isn't the same as hanging with an unsavory crowd. If you're a Republican Louisiana politician, you probably have ties to David Duke. That shouldn't be a problem for you. If you hang at Klan rallies, that's something else again.
The Ayers association for Obama doesn't bother most of us because it isn't prima facie evidence that Ayers' past is the issue that joined them together. If you're a Democratic Chicago politician, association with Ayers sounds nearly inevitable. Some evidence that Ayers' past is relevant would seem like a necessary starting point before attempting to tie Obama to that past.
Of course, in the last days of a hard fought political campaign, niceties like evidence and fairness
jimM47 wrote on 10/07/2008 at 03:18 PM
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What the h**l happened to Jane Hampshire? She was civil and interesting in other diavlogs. But she completely ruined her last diavlog with Jim Pinkerton, and I couldn't even get through this one, even trying multiple times. This Corsi guy isn't a prince, but I totally blame Jane for this disaster of a diavlog.
skonny wrote on 10/07/2008 at 03:33 PM
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Corsi is a joke, but this wasn't very funny.
I would've liked to see him given more rope. An interviewer that listened patiently and even sympathetically prodded him along could've tapped a rich vein of comedy gold.
( "That is indeed a terrifying possiblity. Is there any chance that John Kerry is somehow involved?")
It would've required a lighter touch than Jane seems capable of, but someone out there in BHTV-land could've really made this classic. Matt Welch maybe.
TwinSwords wrote on 10/07/2008 at 03:34 PM
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Quoting mvantony: A new, ugly low for Bloggingheads.tv. I realize you're very senstive, mvantony, but don't omit Jane's context, or her point. This was in the midst of the discussion of Corsi's groundless insinuations that Obama is a coke addict or alcoholic. She was simply showing that two can play at Corsi's game.
Corsi published his insinuations in an NYT best-seller. Hamsher made her insinuation -- obvious sarcasm -- before an audience of a few thousand.
The fact that you condemn her, but not him, tells us everything we need to know about your intellectual honesty and moral character.
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